http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/politics/calexit-donald-trump/index.html
After Donald Trump won the election, there has been an increased interest in California to secede from the United States. About 60% of Californian voters support Clinton and fear the future under Trump’s presidency, so the movement to constitutionally exit the US is attracting attention of many more people than before. Supporters are actually calling for a vote to be held about this proposal in 2019, hoping to see how many people in California support or oppose California being a state rather than a nation.
The “Yes California” campaign website states that "as the sixth largest economy in the world, California is more economically powerful than France and has a population larger than Poland,” implying that they believe California will be able to compete and possibly even thrive as its own entity rather than being part of the United States.
This secession is considered highly unlikely to actually happen, especially considering that similar instances of contemplating seceding have happened in other states as well and ultimately resulted in nothing happening. However, the idea is being rapidly spread through social media platforms and often protests as well.
- Looking at the statistics, do you think California could actually sustain itself as its own nation?
- What is your own opinion on #calexit? Should it be taken into more serious consideration or ignored?
- How do you feel about this reaction to Trump’s win from many people in California? Is it appropriate to the situation?
I think that calexit is not a good idea. Californians who favor this are obviously upset about the election, which they have a right to be, however, seceding from the U.S. is a big deal and will effect every individual in California. I feel as if there are other ways to meet the needs of Californians who are outraged by the election; seceding from the U.S. is just too drastic.
ReplyDeleteI think the Calexit should not be taken into consideration because California would not have a strong enough military to be independent.
ReplyDeleteThe biggest issue that I see with CalExit is the fact that there is a remaining 40% of California's population who are in support of Trump. Assuming that the 60% of Californians who supported Clinton as President align with secession, the majority would approve this action. The electoral college features a winner takes all system for the state's electoral votes, and one of the main problems with the electoral system is that the opinions of people who vote for the losing candidate are not valued. If the CalExit proposition continues to develop, the 40% of Californians who want to stay a part of the United States would be forced to either desert the lives they have created in this state or go along with a monumental change that they do not support.
ReplyDeleteIn the Yes California campaign, they claim that despite how much California contributes, they are still overshadowed by the rest of the country. The 55 electoral votes lose its power and means nothing now. Although I can understand the frustration, Californians need to also consider the military aspect. Although they claim that terrorist groups won't be attacked California, I still sense potential danger. Another thing, what are their plans for immigration? The whole thing seems unfinished if that's the word. The reality of it happening is unlikely.
ReplyDeleteI believe it is a great idea, but there are many factors to California being alone because who would run California? Who would defend California in war? There are so many things that come along that may make California alone very weak it is to impossible for it to be a great nation, but it would have o be something thought out well.
ReplyDeleteCalifornia becoming it's own nation is not a good idea to handle being upset about the results of the election. Rather than running away from the fact that Trump is president I feel that Californians should fight for what they believe in to possibly change the future. By isolating itself from the rest of the US, California as whole would basically be letting Trump win. Its too much of change and it would impact peoples lives in too many ways.
ReplyDeleteI think that there is no way that California will ever actually exit from the united states to become its own nation. In 2012 Texas claimed the exact same thing when Obama was reelected and nothing ever happened with Texas.
ReplyDeleteI think this would be a bad idea to continue. I do not think that CalExit will become anything more than just a foolish idea. Like many people above have stated, we o not have the military power to sustain ourselves, and not a lot of people are in favor of this idea.
ReplyDeleteNo it would not sustain itself as its own nation because we depend on other states and countries in order to keep us afloat. I do not believe that this should be taken into consideration because they want to propose this because Donald Trump is president but they won't make a vote until 2019. He would have already been presidnt for 3 years!!! He would basically already be done with his term by that point and a new president would be elected soon so why bother?
ReplyDeleteNo, I do not think that California would be able to sustain itself. Although California may be strong economically, like what others have said, it will not have the military power. Additionally there is still 40% of the California population that supports Trump and most likely would not support calexit. I think the idea of calexit was just an idea brought up by people that are angry that Trump won.
ReplyDeleteCalexit should be ignored. Its just California's knee jerk reaction to not getting what they wanted out of the election. Look at it this way, if California secedes not only will we face military intervention from the U.S. but the U.S. will also continue to elect republican presidents now that the biggest democratic state is gone. instead of giving up and leaving we should stay and try to work with what we got.
ReplyDeleteI feel like the rest of the US relies heavily on California, making it unlikely that they'll vote in favor of the succession.
ReplyDeleteI don't think California could sustain itself as an own nation because the US relies on California itself for many of the country's goods/finances. It should be ignored because I don't think it's a good idea at all because it just doesn't sound smart. Only 60% of the state support Clinton, which isn't really a big number if you think about it. If it was about 90%, it'll be more understandable for #CalExit to happen. Somebody is always going to be mad over who won, and that's just how the world works.
ReplyDeleteConsidering California having mostly democratic voters I think it is reasonable to be angry at Trump's presidency. As a nation of our own (California) our defense would not be as great for we do not have enough numbers to put up a fight, neither do we have enough land.
ReplyDeleteI understand that our state is angry, we have 55 eligible electoral votes and we gave them too Clinton, but Trump had still won presidency and being our own nation is crazy I don't think that would work well at all for we do not have numbers and we would not be organized because we are so small as our own nation
ReplyDeleteI think that if California succeeds from there is a lot to make up for and something that won't really be beneficial in the long run. I think it will only benefit the people in the state for the next 4 years.
ReplyDeleteI don't believe that California could sustain as its own country, and that #calexit will eventually blow over. In an ideal world, we would become our own nation but to me it seems that it should be ignored because it's kind of just a negative reaction to Trump's election.
ReplyDeletePersonally I think that this whole cal exit idea is an immature position during this period of time. In the end we all know that no matter how hard we protest we can barely make a dent. We have been shown that everything we have fought for in the civil rights era is back lashed with Trump as our president. A huge step forward would be to have a black female as a candidate and maybe even our president,such as Michelle Obama.
ReplyDeleteAnybody supporting this Cal exit idea is 100% idiotic and immature. I can fully understand that people are angry, but that does not mean you try and get your state to become it's own country. Their protests are doing something, but when you look at the big picture nobody truly cares. Everyone around knows that this 100% foolish. Everyone is laughing seeing this as a joke. Even if California did end up exiting, I truly believe we would fail more than make progress.
ReplyDeleteI believe that the Cal Exit is very unlikely of happening and very unlikely of being successful if it were to happen, although some statistics beg to differ. I believe that nothing good could come from it.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, the sheer absurdity of Calexit is highlighted in the fact that Californians who feel "threatened" by Trump, as they say, don't accept the results of the electoral college and move along with the nation's agreed upon leader but rather jump straight into pushing for an idea as radical as creating a new nation to deal with their sorrows rather than coming together with the Union and working the federalist system we have to make the best of what the nation wants. California cannot last on it's own; no state in the U.S. can. They have risen to become so successful because of the fact that they are a part of a Union as strong as the United States. Calexit should not be considered because it shows the easy way out for those voters who can't deal with a single election that did not go their way for once when every other election that didn't go a party's way resulted in peaceful acceptance and growth moving forward. People tend to forget that not everyone is a coastal city habitant who feels the need to push progressive ideas for the sake of them and in fact there are people in the U.S. in the midwest and south who work jobs no one here would ever dream of to supply for their families and selves and look to Trump as a person who finally will answer to them and not career idealists and those who want immediate success in life. People shouldn't be reacting as they are; they aren't the only ones who live in this nation in their own bubble, there are many other hard workers who have spoken and rightfully elected Trump as their president and they need to live with that fact and work to move on.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Nicole that the cal exit is unlikely to happen and is going to be unsuccessful if it was planning on happening.
ReplyDeleteI think that the cal exit would not work. It means that we would haft to change much of our economical structure and a lot of other things. It would be interesting to see how many people want to separate from the Union but I do not think it will be successful.
ReplyDeleteCalexit is a really bad move. Looking at the failure of Brexit can tell us this, although Brexit was far more extreme. I do believe it is possible for California to economically sustain itself, but even then the chances of doing so successfully are very low, and I don't believe that most California citizens and officials are willing to take the risk.
ReplyDeleteNo i do not believe that California can sustain its self as its own nation. I believe it is an over reaction personally, and i believe that this situation is not appropriate.
ReplyDeleteI think that California would be able to sustain itself but only for a small amount of time. I think that there are lot of economic disadvantages from leaving the United States. I honestly think that it should be ignored. I don't at all think that California leaving will benefit anybody. Furthermore I understand peoples frustration but I think that it's starting to reach a weird height. I saw an image of someone burning the American flag and have been seeing some outrages statements on Twitter from people in California regarding Trumps wife. I think people need to wait and see what the President-Elect actually does before they claim this as one of Americas dark ages. Peaceful protests I can agree with but when it comes to violence and slang, I feel like they are turning into the very thing that they are protesting against, hate.
ReplyDeleteit seems like a good idea but its not that easy and possible , to stand alone as a nation needs much more growth and support.
ReplyDeleteI do believe that California is a successful state and is and will thrive for the years to come, although, I dont think that separating from the country is the best idea. Think about to the separating with the south. That is a different time period although its almost kid of the same thing but without the slavery
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